PREDICT Ensemble Discussion
Posted by
JAC on 8/20/2010, 9:49 am
Date(UTC): 2010/08/20 09:48 Author: Ryan Torn Submitted at(UTC): 2010/08/20 10:12 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Current Conditions/Review of Yesterday's Forecast: PGI27L about to make landfall farther north than the ensemble was predicting even a day ago. System continues to appear weak and have low OW values. PGI30L still weak and difficult to track in most of the ensemble members because the circulation is small. PGI31L appears roughly in the correct place, but still is characterized by few members with OW values greater than 2. PGI33L has a small compact circulation at the initial time with 10% of members having OW values greater than 2.
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DAY 1 (Next 24 hours) Outlook: PGI27L makes landfall over Mexico, moves over Yucatan. Thereafter, the ensemble has a difficult time following this system. PGI30L is difficult to track during this time. The OW values in PGI31L increase to beyond 2 for all members by 24 h and some members show this system going through genesis by the end of the period. Over the past several runs, the model has been very aggressive in trying to develop an organized system out of the trough north of the ITCZ, so I am cautious that this process will happen as quickly as the model predicts. PGI33L does not change much during the past 24 h, but it is located along the lateral boundaries of the domain, so I do not trust the ensemble as much.
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DAY 2 (24 - 48 hours) Outlook: PGI31L appears to become a full-fledged TD in almost all of the ensemble members by 48 h and the system starts to propagate to the west, reaching 35W by the end of the period. Both the circulation and thickness anomalies reach genesis criteria for all members by 48 h. PGI33L just south of Cape Verde with a large amount of variability in position, but few members with OW values greater than 2 by this time.
Similar to yesterday, the ensemble is trying to develop something out of the convection to the NE of South America. This is obviously a large model error that will be investigated sometime soon and should be ignored. It is encouraging that the ensemble is less aggressive with developing this system compared to yesterday since most members have OW values less than 2 by 48 h.
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Extended Outlook: PGI31L reaches 40W by 72 h and appears to be a well-developed tropical system. PGI33L has a large amount of variability and actually starts to rotate around PGI31L in many of the ensemble members. Very few members have OW values greater than 2 for this system. The spurious system shows up in the southern Caribbean, but has few members with OW values greater than 2.
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Data coming in on 95L -
JAC,
8/20/2010, 8:14 am- bless u - BobbiStorm, 8/20/2010, 5:06 pm
- An experimental feature on my site, real time model error - Chris in Tampa, 8/20/2010, 3:53 pm
- Big change in latest ECMWF - weaker and more West - DTB_2009, 8/20/2010, 3:14 pm
- 12Z GFS Stall Out in the Wild Wild West Atlantic??? - JAC, 8/20/2010, 1:02 pm
- more often than not - Doorman, 8/20/2010, 10:20 am
- Two Bad-Ass Twins. Combine????? - JAC, 8/20/2010, 9:25 am
- LLC very TD Looking - JAC, 8/20/2010, 9:16 am
- ADT - JAC, 8/20/2010, 9:18 am
- Re: Data coming in on 95L - Doorman, 8/20/2010, 8:57 am
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