NWS HPC Extended Forecast Discussion - 93L still the one to watch long term
Posted by DTB_2009 on 8/13/2011, 4:01 pm
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EXTENDED FORECAST DISCUSSION
NWS HYDROMETEOROLOGICAL PREDICTION CENTER CAMP SPRINGS MD
213 PM EDT SAT AUG 13 2011

VALID 12Z TUE AUG 16 2011 - 12Z SAT AUG 20 2011

LATEST GUIDANCE FOR THE MEDIUM RANGE PERIOD STILL DISPLAYS
SIGNIFICANT DIFFS WITH FLOW PROGRESSING FROM THE NRN PACIFIC INTO
WRN-CNTRL NOAM.  IN CONTRAST TO SOLNS YDAY THAT SEEMED TO BE
RATHER RANDOM IN THEIR SPREAD... THERE ARE NOW TWO GENERAL
CLUSTERS WITH THEIR CHARACTERISTICS APPEARING TO ARISE FROM HOW
FLOW IS HANDLED JUST S/W OF THE ALASKA MAINLAND EARLY IN THE
PERIOD.  ONE CLUSTER COMPOSED OF THE 00Z GFS AND TO A SOMEWHAT
LESSER EXTENT GEFS MEAN/12Z CANADIAN ENSEMBLE MEAN BUILD A RIDGE
INTO WRN CANADA BY DAYS 5-6 THU-FRI... WHILE 12Z-00Z ECMWF
RUNS/12Z ECMWF MEAN/00Z CANADIAN BRING A DECENT TROF INTO WRN
CANADA AND NWRN CONUS IN THAT TIME FRAME.  BY DAY 7 SAT THE 00Z
ECMWF AND LESS AMPLIFIED ECMWF MEAN/CANADIAN ALL SHOW FASTER
PROGRESSION OF THIS TROF COMPARED TO THE 12Z ECMWF RUN.  THE
STRONG WRN CANADA RIDGE IN THE GFS ULTIMATELY LEADS TO A DEEPER
DOWNSTREAM TROF THAN FCST BY OTHER GUIDANCE INCLUDING THE GEFS/12Z
CANADIAN MEANS AS WELL AS PREVIOUS GFS RUNS OVER THE PAST 24 HRS.
AS A RESULT THE GFS WILL BE CONSIDERED THE LEAST LIKELY SOLN BY
DAYS 5-7 THU-SAT.  OTHERWISE LACK OF CONTINUITY AS WELL AS LACK OF
SUFFICIENTLY AGREEABLE ANOMALY CENTERS FOR DETERMINING
TELECONNECTION FAVORED FLOW RECOMMEND A COMPROMISE BETWEEN
ENSEMBLE MEANS UNTIL BETTER AGREEMENT EMERGES.

AHEAD OF THIS EVOLUTION THERE IS FAIR CLUSTERING WITH LOW PRESSURE
TRACKING ACROSS CANADA AND TRAILING COLD FRONT THAT SHOULD WEAKEN
AS IT APPROACHES THE APLCHNS LATE NEXT WEEK.  THE GFS MAY BE A TAD
SLOW WITH THE MID LVL SYSTEM AT SOME HRS IN THE FIRST HALF OF THE
PERIOD BUT THE SFC EVOLUTION IS SUFFICIENTLY CLOSE TO CONSENSUS TO
INCLUDE AS PART OF A BLEND.  THE GEFS MEAN IS A FAST EXTREME WITH
THE SFC LOW OVER CANADA.  MEANWHILE THE 00Z ECMWF TRENDS FASTER
THAN MOST GUIDANCE ASIDE FROM THE UKMET WITH THE WAVY FRONT NEAR
THE EAST COAST.

THE DAYS 3-4 TUE-WED FCST STARTS WITH A BLEND OF 00Z ECMWF/00Z
GFS/12Z ECMWF ENSEMBLE MEAN TO EMPHASIZE THE MOST AGREEABLE
ASPECTS OF GUIDANCE WITH THE TWO PRIMARY FEATURES EARLY IN THE
PERIOD... WITH ADDITIONAL SLIGHT ADJUSTMENTS TOWARD THE ENSEMBLE
MEANS OFF THE EAST COAST.  DAYS 5-7 THU-SAT USE A 60/40 WEIGHTING
OF THE 12Z ECMWF MEAN/00Z GEFS MEAN TO YIELD THE DESIRED
COMPROMISE FOR WRN NOAM FLOW MID-LATE PERIOD.

WITH ADDITIONAL INPUT FROM NAEFS/06Z GFS/00Z ECMWF ENS MEANS AND
LAGGED AVERAGE FORECAST OF GFS AND ECMWF SOME CHANGES ARE IN ORDER
FROM EARLIER PRELIMS BUT OVERALL RESULT IN THE SAME SCENARIO AND
THINKING..WITH AN OVERALL SIMPLIFICATION WHICH IS USUALLY THE BEST
SOLUTION. UPDATED MORNING BLENDS USE A 50/50 MIX OF GFS AND ECMWF
ENS MEANS TO RESOLVE THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE OPERATIONAL
SOLUTIONS DESCRIBED ABOVE UNTIL ONE OR THE OTHER BECOMES DOMINANT
OR THEY YIELD TO THIS PRESCRIBED MIXTURE.    

NO CHANGES TO AFTN FINALS FROM EARLIER PRELIMS. LATEST GFS
TRENDING TOWARDS THE ENS MEANS USED PREVIOUSLY OF GFS/ECMWF AND
NAEFS. ONLY ADDITIONAL FEATURE ADDED IS TROPICAL DEPICTION OF AL93
ENTERING THE CARRIBEAN WITH SEVERAL MODELS INTENSIFYING THE SYSTEM
LATE PERIOD AND BEYOND AS IT ENCOUNTERS A MORE FAVORABLE
ENVIRONMENT.
SEE NHC/TPC DISCUSSIONS AND OUTLOOKS.

RAUSCH/ROSENSTEIN

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