Important incomplete information about vaccine effectiveness regarding serious illness
Posted by Chris in Tampa on 4/15/2021, 10:37 pm
The CDC put out information today that is incomplete, but important to pay attention to. We should get some actual data next week. (partial data)



https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/14/health/breakthrough-infections-covid-vaccines-cdc/index.html

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/cdc-about-5-800-breakthrough-infections-reported-fully-vaccinated-people-n1264186



"About 5,800 people who have been vaccinated against coronavirus have become infected anyway, the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention tells CNN.

Some became seriously ill and 74 people died, the CDC said. It said 396 -- 7% -- of those who got infected after they were vaccinated required hospitalization.

This is the CDC's first public accounting of breakthrough cases, and the agency is searching for patterns based on patient age and gender, location, type of vaccine, variants and other factors.

'So far, about 5,800 breakthrough cases have been reported to CDC. To date, no unexpected patterns have been identified in case demographics or vaccine characteristics,' the CDC told CNN via email.

About 77 million people in the US are fully vaccinated against coronavirus, according to a CNN analysis of CDC data. The CDC's reports on breakthrough cases will lag day-to-day reports of vaccines given, so many, if not most, of those breakthrough cases will have happened weeks ago."



"In addition, 65 percent of the cases were in women, and just over 40 percent were in people ages 60 and up. Seven percent of people were hospitalized, and 74 people died.

The data are not publicly available yet, but the CDC expects to start publishing information on breakthrough infections on its website regularly starting Monday. The agency also plans to collect additional data on the cases, including demographics, vaccine type, variant type, location and the amount of time since the individuals had completed their vaccinations.

'We are reaching out to all of our state health officials, as well as to our hospitals,' Walensky said."




There is so much we don't know. Was this of people fully vaccinated. But what would that mean? Were these people who actually got infected two weeks after their second dose if using Moderna or Pfizer? That's very important. Which vaccines were these?

If someone found out they got infected two weeks after they got a second dose, they would have still been infected before the vaccine would have been most effective.

This data is very important. I want to know the number of people that actually got infected after two weeks after their second vaccine shot. (or first shot for J&J) I would also want to know which vaccines they got. And of course demographic information too.

As noted in one of the articles, the data lags, so there might be more instances.

74 deaths out of 77 million is a very small percentage, but if this was people getting infected after the vaccine was most effective and there could also be a little more due to the data lagging, it's important to know. But I also don't know to what extent people were vaccinated. We need the underlying data.

Based on this we now have incomplete data that says the vaccine is not 100% effective in preventing serious illness. I expected it wouldn't be, that the trials just didn't happen to have enough people to catch that, but it's still important to note. People need to get vaccinated, but this is why herd immunity is important. With so much of the virus out there, people will still continue to die even when many people are vaccinated. And of course the entire world needs to be vaccinated or we're going to see more and more variants. Things are bad in places around the world but that isn't getting as much coverage in the U.S.

In another post I will post about booster shots likely being needed and that annual vaccinations are possible in the future. Also things that have been very obvious from the start, not the timing exactly, but the fact that one to two shots wasn't going to be enough.
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