Re: that's like here also
Posted by Chris in Tampa on 4/2/2020, 11:39 pm
It's good to hear your niece's fiance doesn't have it. Still unfortunate that no hospital is willing to help more. I don't know good their insurance is, but keep calling hospitals that are in network even if you have to drive a long way?

I hope your family who have to still be working consider masks. Maybe I missed if you had talked about that before. But make something from home. Scarf, bandana, rip up an old shirt, something.

Maybe you were the one that posted this link that I bookmarked on how to make a mask for those that sew:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/31/opinion/coronavirus-n95-mask.html

I would hope no business prevents people from wearing something. I think the White House will officially make that recommendation in the coming days.




The Florida governor is a fool. He undid what some of the counties did. Here in my county churches were not allowed to have a lot of people gather. Our county made national news when it arrested a pastor here who was still having people come to church. (and they already do live streams online) Now the governor says that churches are essential and that his order supersedes the county orders.

That was done with this order (PDF) that says his supersedes:
https://www.flgov.com/wp-content/uploads/orders/2020/EO_20-92.pdf

Original Florida order (PDF):
https://www.flgov.com/wp-content/uploads/orders/2020/EO_20-91-compressed.pdf



This post is also a response to Jim's about the deaths per day. I watch and read too much news. This virus spreads so easily and for those that need to be hospitalized, maybe 1 in 5, very cruel. Even the people who don't need to be hospitalized may go through hell.

I don't get what these governors are thinking. So many of these states thought they didn't have a problem. Then they realized they had a problem and locked things down somewhat. The states without lockdown orders know that they are not testing enough and also that they might not be seeing it as much because they might be earlier on in the exponential spread. (they can look at the other states for what's coming) Doubling from 10 to 20 is different from 5,000 to 10,000. After some kind of lockdown, it could be many weeks after the lockdowns before they realize the true extent of how horrific it might be. By the time you have a lot of cases in your state compared to the population of your state, and then lock things down, it will be three weeks or more before you might possibly see a peak. But in other countries I think they did a lot more. Honestly, I think these models are wrong. They're on the low side. We're not locking down here like we need to be. We're not doing what Italy did. Nothing close to what China did. (and yes they might have reported some deaths as being from pneumonia and not coronavirus, but they still took drastic action)

I know there's a lot of things that are essential, but here is the list that the Florida governor used in his order, from the federal government:
https://www.cisa.gov/publication/guidance-essential-critical-infrastructure-workforce
It's like 12 pages long.

And he wanted churches to be essential too, even though anyone with a cell phone can stream something or watch something.

When we do see a nationwide peak, which will likely be higher than they think, it may not go down much for awhile. Everyone will peak at different times. NY might peak earlier than most anywhere else, but the locations where the death toll is growing exponentially will contribute more and more. When NY's death toll per day decreases, all the other places across the country, that are growing at a fast rate exponentially, will add to the nationwide death toll more and more. If a place has its death toll double in 3 days from 10 to 20, and later from 500 to 1,000, that later doubling contributes more to the death toll. All these places that still don't have lockdowns, and the places where there are weaker lockdowns, will still contribute more to it than these models are seeing I believe. When the nation seems to be at a peak nationwide, it might go down a bit, or plateau, then even climb some because of all these places that didn't take it seriously enough, like Florida still, contribute more and more to the death toll.

And no one is hardly talking about what comes next. First of all, these guidelines are through the end of April. The one model assumes social distancing through the end of May. But it doesn't model a second wave. Or a third. I get it's hard to tell people this might go on for 18 months or two years, until a vaccine is widely distributed, but there is no choice here. I wish we would lock things down closer to what China did, but I don't see that. I think we'll likely go the other way. And I can't imagine what that's going to look like.
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